Hey, those Afroasiatic Y chromosomes dont propagate themselves, you know. (unless one of the authors was the best man at the editors wedding). (Faroese is closely-ish related to Icelandic, both historically and modernly.). Sentence first Vgl. The Cassandra Pages Forms agent nouns from verbs. There is the much less productive Old Irish -ne. Since the three traditional branches of the Hamitic languages (Berber, Cushitic and Egyptian) have not been shown to form an exclusive (monophyletic) phylogenetic unit of their own, separate from other Afroasiatic languages, linguists no longer use the term in this sense. I assume the quote is from something that was linked, but I didnt find that either. and founded the first Semitic Empire at Kish. Hmm. This is even more important for creatures that live in the water, where heat loss is much faster than in air. I find it difficult to understand what, if it was not some of the developments of the past 8-10 millennia that created powerful new forces of demic replacement. Poemas del ro Wang Catch of the day or Todays catch on restaurant menus. I see (consulting an actual book) that Lionel Bender, no less, played with the idea of Kongo-Saharan. I hope he made a full recovery. is often put with Germanic *mati- (English meat, Old Norse matr food, Old High German maz food, meat, etc.) His Historical-Comparative Reconstruction of Nilo-Saharan has a version on p. 66 (maybe it was this book). Good is a pretty obvious candidate for that. Greek language and linguistics Then he quotes from the very same article by Nichols as Claude Rilly (where he was calculating the degree of closeness between Meroitic and Nubian words for brother and sister). Philology.ru But compare e.g. I assume deep antiquity had much more diversity, that was erased in the period youre mentioning, because of recognizable, new centralizing forces of trade, conquest and prestige. Blench (1999d). Sarostin references in passing Roger Blenchs, https://www.rogerblench.info/Language/World/Blench%20CALL%20Leiden%202011%20ppt.pdf, which produces in me my usual response to Blenchs comparative work, viz that its interesting and thought-provoking, but ultimately not very convincing. There is a pleasing consistency in these remarks. Nick Jainschiggs blog for a European AA is Semitic and also languages similar to it. @LH, I just dont know. Nuer does (both mono- and diphthongs); perhaps he went mad from the revelation. as independent units and the abstract analysis reflects a level of meta-analysis necessary for linguists but not the average speaker. When saying ouch I was thinking ! which is what youre supposed to say when you burn your hand. There is abundant evidence for the spread of languages like Mande, Songhay and Hausa over the last couple of millennia (or even later.) Finally, Joseph Greenbergs 1950 work led to the widespread rejection of Hamitic as a language category by linguists. Is there a mechanism among bands of hunter-gatherers that would have systematically done that across a region as large as that in which even non-Bantu Niger-Congo is spoken, other than demic replacement? Wiktionary also has (mtsya) 1. Clickable IPA chart (by Weston Ruter) I seem to recall quite a lot being made of the -s derivational suffix plausibly reconstructed on other grounds for Old Chinese, for example. OpenSpace.ru (Russian cultural links) I asked his work; he dealt in coal, And with hindsight, the nineteenth-century view that you could essentially arrive at PIE by comparing conservative-Greek and conservative-Sanskrit, and assuming that everything they matched in was PIE, turned out to be overhasty. But I guess the linguistic question might be whether there are Bantu-origin loanwords in the regional varieties of Arabic where that ancestry is most common? ), (the first 4 lines are by DE but I cant edit the comment and mark them as a quote at the moment:(). Yes, I see where the dates got incorporated now. Its reconstructable for Proto-Bantu (despite the Swahili), as *camb-, which does look tantalisingly like Proto-OV *am-, but as the Hausa say, Kama da wane ba wane ba Like someone is not someone. Ive no other potential examples for such an initial consonant correspondence so far, anyway. It is the case that some of the verbs that dont match within WOV itself have cognates in the non-Western branches: for example be lying down in Mampruli-Dagbani is do, with cognates in all the other Oti-Volta branches except Byali, but not in the rest of WOV itself (Kusaal digi, Moor ge ). I have vivid memories of seeing a fish the size of a grown man unloaded from a tiny fishing canoe on the Niger river at its confluence with the Benue at Lokoja, 260 miles from the sea , Did the Romans do much fishing in the English Channel? Looks like an iterative that forms part of a Kluge mess to me. The list itself can be based on Mande data. In Latin America, pez has been largely ousted by pescado for both meanings. *hduH- > Proto-Gk. Barry Guy It was a noun, not a verb, but thats alright; not everything has to be deverbal, even in Semitic. Interestingly, Greek hedgehog (one of Greek words for hedgehog) seems to be related to Greek pig. Think Altaic, not Indo-European. an eudmonist Why did the editors themselves not pick up on this?). that a locational word is used in the English participle. (For my most recent thoughts in that direction, watch my NSLC 2021 presentation.) porpoise (Meerschwein. Now youve got me reading Vydrin on Mande & Niger-Congo Toward a Proto-Mande reconstruction and an etymological dictionary (2016). Much of the Leiden Schools work rests on interpreting *h as []. We must all make sacrifices for the Cause. Unfortunately the (online version of the?) I found Starostins lexicostatistical theory for showing substrate influence interesting. I dont think so, because it didnt it diphthongize. Our phylogenetic network (Figure 4) shows that there was not a third domestication process, rather there was a single origin of domesticated taurine (Asian, African, and European all share a recent common ancestor denoted by an asterisk in Figure 4, with Asian cattle sister to the rest of the taurine lineage), followed by admixture with an ancestral population in Africa (migration edge a in Figure 4, which is consistent across 6 separate TreeMix runs, Figure S4). I presume that would have been a lot truer in an era when the hunting was richer. AFAIK, for an idea of what long-range stuff looks like when you cant rely on morphology, look at Sino-Tibetan almost no morphology over there (most of the languages are isolating [EDIT: on the Sinitic side, anyway, apparently less so in the rest of it]), but its fairly well accepted that the relevant languages are in fact related, and work is actively ongoing on the reconstructions. These separate roots act as the head of a morphological subfamily (Figure1). In Semitic languages (e.g. As seen earlier, several of the traits in the Mesoamerican linguistic area do have the same boundary, but in many other areas, the core areal traits do not have the same boundaries, offering no bundling and no clearly identifiable outer border of the linguistic area in question. In my native Rioplatense it would always be vos habls, as Hat reports. So some of I see 26 root (N), 27 bark (N), 28 skin (N), 32 grease (F), 33 egg (N), 61 die (N deyja or dial OE dean), 62 kill (perhaps N kolla but could be OE *cyllan or cwellan), 70 give (N), 86 mountain (F), for only two French words but five clear Norse ones and two possibles. Actually, jargon and tabu replacement are related phenomena. Much of the detail of his comparative stuff is obsolete now (it dates from long before Indo-European linguistics was upended by the decipherment of Hittite, for example) but its still a good illustration of how proper comparative linguistics works. Kloekhorst, take the diverging meaning as confirmation for the view that Anatolian split off first, which seems reasonable to me. Languagehat.com reserves the right to alter or delete any questionable material posted on this site. Do we actually have enough evidence to say that the Natufians went from the Levant into Egypt, rather than from Egypt into the Levant? But I do not know if it is possible to trace its history. Thats a fault known as Word Not In, or WNI: the use of a word in a definition that does not appear in the dictionary. Derek Elderkin. One classifier (t'u or dtua) is used for larger animals, furniture like tables and chairs, suits of men's clothing so far, things with arms and legs but also germs and fish! Based on actual real live fieldwork, moreover. Its not possible to disprove that they are related to Basque, either. Since when arrival of Ethiopian Semitic from North-East (southern part of Arabian peninsula) became controversial? In his font the characters are slightly distinct, but I dont know enough to tell which Unicode symbol, if any, is appropriate here. I do not know what to do, but if two names co-exist, it is not necessarily a bad thing. I guess if youre getting a university degree in Africa, you may arrive at more practical ideas of how to improve your familys financial position than to pursue a lucrative linguistics career. Perhaps I only believed that because of the interlocking logic of my folk etymology.) Unfortunately the degree of relatedness between Lojban and Chinese (highest weight, short words, consonant mergers while Lojbanizing) was 1.01: the 13th stroke of the clock. which is from none other than Kay Williamson and Roger Blench. While fjerkr was sold fresh. These emerge relatively early in Turkish compared with European or Semitic languages. There are parallels to the odd status of Nobiin within Nubian to that of Nawdm and Hanga within Oti-Volta, as I mentioned above: both are lexically remarkably divergent not only from their respective close relatives (identified as such pretty securely on other grounds) Yom and Mampruli, but even from Oti-Volta as a whole. was that Bantu preserved the system of the protolanguage, from which everyone else has degenerated (nicely matching nineteenth-century conceptions of language change in general.) a passage by Kossmann (after listing -s/-us Latin loans and -u Latin loans, speculating that these can possibly reflect different time or borrowing or different Latin case form used). Dravidian *mn and Austronesian *Sikan (or at least Malayo-Polynesian *hikan) look quite stable as well. He tentatively excludes Chabu from Nilo-Saharan as an isolate and accepts Kadu. To crowd your coffin when youre dead. As a matter of fact, part of my caution regarding constructs like Niger-Kordofanian comes about because I think that the morphological evidence even in Volta-Congo is really much weaker than Greenberg and his epigones imagined. The animals accompanying this migration of Cushitic speakers would have been three species of ruminant; cattle, goats and sheep. split of Amniota is into the ancestors of mammals and those of lizards/snakes + tuatara + turtles + crocs + birds. In Berber it appears with different stem-initial consonants takaust (Ghadames), yaus (Sened, Siwa), ayaus (Medieval Tashelhiyt), qas (Nefusa). list leaf, listy (a specific register when applied to leaves on a tree, usually applied to paper and then sounds serious) leaves, listva foliage, listya (the most common plural for leaves on a tree but morphologically not quite plural) listik/listok/listochek a leaf listiki, listki, listochki (unserious when applied to paper). Strange eo* Welsh accent. Regionalisms. 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